Date: 2002-04-08 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-ilyavinar899.livejournal.com
À åùå - ãäå áðîäèëè ïî çîíå ÊÐû,
Ãäå ïîä ñíåãîì èñêàëè ãíèëûå êîðåíüÿ,
Ïåðåä ýòîé çåìëåé íèêàêèå ïðåìüåðû,
Ïîäòÿíóâøè øòàíû, íå ïðåêëîíÿò êîëåíè.

Íàä ñèáèðñêîé òàéãîþ, íàä Êàìîé, íàä Ïîòüìîé
Íè öâåòîâ, íè âåíêîâ íå ïîëîæàò ê íàäãðîáüþ,
Ëèøü êàê Âå÷íûé Îãîíü, êàê íåòëåííàÿ ñëàâà,
Øòàáåëÿ, øòàáåëÿ, øòàáåëÿ ëåñîñïëàâà...

Date: 2002-04-08 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avrom.livejournal.com
Âû èçâèíèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà. çà ðåçêîñòü - : ÃÓËÀÃ, ýòî êîíå÷íî, ñòðàøíî, íî ñðàâíèâàòü åãî è Êàòàñòðîôó - êîùóíñòâî. Íàäî ñîâñåì íå èìåòü åâðåéñêîãî ñåðäöà, ÷òî áû ïàìÿòü î íèõ ðÿäîì ñòàâèòü.

Date: 2002-04-08 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-ilyavinar899.livejournal.com
Ïî÷åìó?

À âñïîìèíàòü åâðååâ - æåðòâ óêðàèíñêîãî ãîëîäà 1932-33 ãîäà, íàïðèìåð äåäà îäíîãî ìîåãî áûâøåãî ñîòðóäíèêà, ðÿäîì ñ æåðòâàìè íàöèçìà - òîæå êîùóíñòâî?

Date: 2002-04-08 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-ilyavinar899.livejournal.com
"Молодой еврейский дурень, - подумала она, - и его старый русский ученик проповедовали непротивление злу насилием. При них не было фашизма."

Date: 2002-04-08 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avrom.livejournal.com
Åâðååâ ïîãèáëî â ðàçëè÷íûõ êîíôëèêòàõ äâàäöàòîãî âåêà äåéñòâèòåëüíî î÷åíü ìíîãî. Âñå ýòè êîíôëèêòû, êàê ïðàâèëî, íå èìåëè ê íàì íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ, åâðåè ÿâëÿëèñü â íèõ ñîâåðøåííî íåîáÿçàòåëüíûìè æåðòâàìè. È èõ âñåõ, êîíå÷íî, òîæå áåçóìíî æàëü. Æàëü ñãèíóâøèõ â ñòàëèíñêîì ÃÓËÀÃÅ, ãäå îíè îêàçàëèñü æåðòâàìè áîðüáû Ñòàëèíà ñ "ëåíèíñêîé ãâàðäèåé" è åãî ñîöèàëüíîé èíæåíåðèè, æàëü óìåðøèõ îò Ãîëîäà íà Óêðàèíå, æåðòâ ñâåäåíèÿ ñ÷åòîâ Ñîâåòñêîé Âëàñòè ñ óêðàèíñêèìè êðåñòüÿíàìè, â êîòîðûõ áîëüøåâèêè âèäåëè ïîòåíöèàëüíóþ óãðîçó ñâîåìó ãîñïîäñòâó, æàëü óáèòûõ àðãåíòèñêèìè è ÷èëèéñêèìè âîåííûìè â èõ áîðüáå ñ ëåâûìè â 70-õ ãîäàõ, æàëü ÷åòûðåõ åâðååâ, ïîãèáøèõ ïðè âçÿòèè ñîâåòñêèìè âîéñêàìè Áàêó - î÷åíü æàëü! íî! âñå ýòî - ñëó÷àéíûå è áåññìûñëåííûå æåðòâû ãàëóòà, ïàâøèå íà íàøåì äîëãîì ïóòè â èçãíàíèè.
Ãèòëåðîâñêèé æå ãåíîöèä áûë íàïðàâëåí èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî ïðîòèâ åâðååâ, ñòàâèë ñâîåé öåëüþ òîòàëüíîå, âñåîáùåå óíè÷òîæåíèå íàøåãî íàðîäà, åìó ïî÷òè íåò ïðèìåðà â íàøåé äîëãîé èñòîðèè. Íåâîçìîæíî åâðåþ ñðàâíèâàòü - è íå ïîíèìàòü, íå ïðèíèìàòü äàííûé ôàêò - èíà÷å êàê áäó÷è ãëóõèì ê íàøåìó ïðîøëîìó, ê áîëè íàøåãî íàðîäà.

Date: 2002-04-08 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-ilyavinar899.livejournal.com
Çíà÷èò, ÿ - ãëóõîé (à òàêæå âûøå ïðîöèòèðîâàííûé Ãàëè÷).

íå ïîíèìàåò

Date: 2002-04-08 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abcdefgh.livejournal.com
Îí Âàñ íå ïîíèìàåò, [livejournal.com profile] avrom, è ýòî ê ñîæàëåíèþ íåïîïðàâèìî. Âû íàïðàñíî äèñêóòèðóåòå. Ëåã÷å äèñêóòèðîâàòü ñ ïîëíûì ïîä çàâÿçêó âñåìè àòòðèáóòàìè äåæóðíûõ àðãóìåíòîâ àíòèñåìèòîì, ÷åì ñ òàêèì åâðååì. Ýòî ïîòîìó ÷òî íå ãëóìëåíèå, êàê ó àíòèñåìèòîâ â àíàëîãè÷íîé ñèòóàöèè áûâàåò - ýòî íåñîïîñòàâèìî ìíîãî ìíîãî õóæå - îí èñêðåííå íå ïîíèìàåò ...

Date: 2002-04-08 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cherjr.livejournal.com
Åñëè â ïðèâåäåííîé öèòàòå ïîä "ìîëîäûì åâðåéñêèì äóðíåì" èìååòñÿ â âèäó Èèñóñ, òî ýòî - õàðàêòåðíîå çàáëóæäåíèå.

Date: 2002-04-08 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serge-dovgy.livejournal.com
Ñïàñèáî çà íàïîìèíàíèå. ß âåäü çàáûë.

Ïåðåñìîòðþ ñåãîäíÿ ôèëüì Âàéäû.

Date: 2002-04-09 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toshick.livejournal.com
> Ãèòëåðîâñêèé æå ãåíîöèä áûë íàïðàâëåí èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî ïðîòèâ åâðååâ ...

ó Ãèòëåðà áûë íå îäèí ãåíîöèä. Åãî ìèðîâîççðåíèå äåéñòâèòåëüíî çàìåøàíî íà àíòèñåìèòèçìå, íî îí ñîáèðàëñÿ èçâåñòè íå òîëüêî åâðååâ.


Date: 2002-04-09 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yatsutko.livejournal.com
À ÷òî ñëó÷èëîñü-òî?
Âñå ëåïÿò ýòîò îãîí¸ê... Ïîø¸ë ê, òàê ñêàçàòü, ïåðâîèñòî÷íèêó, íî è òóò íè÷åãî âðàçóìèòåëüíîãî. Êàêàÿ-òàêàÿ êàòàñòðîôà? Êòî óìåð? Èëè ÷òî óïàëî êóäà?

Date: 2002-04-09 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toshick.livejournal.com
Àíàòîëèé, à Âû ïîòîì ïîñ÷èòàåòå è îïóáëèêóåòå, ñêîëüêî â ÆÆ ññûëîê ?
Õîòÿ áû â fif ?

Re:

Date: 2002-04-09 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avva.livejournal.com
Óæå íåò, íàäî áûëî ñ ñàìîãî íà÷àëà â ìåìîðèç äîáàâëÿòü, à òåïåðü óæå íå íàéòè èõ.
ß â ôèôå âèäåë øòóê 20 ïðèìåðíî çà ïîñëåäíèå ñóòêè.

Date: 2002-04-10 08:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenbat.livejournal.com
Îí âàñ äåéñòâèòåëüíî íå ïîíèìàåò, Èëüÿ. Ïîòîìó ÷òî èìååò ñåðäöå åâðåéñêîå, à íå îáùå÷åëîâå÷åñêîå. À ýòî î÷åíü ãðóñòíî è îïàñíî.

Date: 2002-04-10 08:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-ilyavinar899.livejournal.com
Ñåé÷àñ ÿ êîãî-òî ïî ùåêå êàê õðÿñíó!

Date: 2002-04-10 08:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-ilyavinar899.livejournal.com
Êòî-òî ñêàçàë, ÷òî opinions are like assholes - everyone's got one, and they all stink.

Re:

Date: 2002-04-10 09:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toshick.livejournal.com
ß íå ïîíÿë, ÷òî Âû èìåëè â âèäó - ïðî ìèðîâîççðåíèå èëè ïðî ìíîæåñòâåííîñòü ãåíîöèäîâ ?

È òî, è äðóãîå - íå ïðîñòî opinion.

Re:

Date: 2002-04-10 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-ilyavinar899.livejournal.com
Ïðî ñóæäåíèÿ (íàïð. ÷òî ãåíîöèä åâðååâ áûë óíèêàëüíûì), êîòîðûå âûñêàçûâàþò íà ïóáëè÷íûõ ôîðóìàõ ëþäè, ñîâåðøåííî íåçíàêîìûå ñ ïðåäìåòîì.

Re:

Date: 2002-04-10 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toshick.livejournal.com
È â ýòîì åñòü ñìûñë.
Åâðîïåéñêàÿ íàöèÿ â XX âåêå îïîë÷èëàñü íà ÷àñòü ñåáÿ - êóäà óæ óíèêàëüíåå !

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