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Эко великолепен, как всегда:

... Semiotics is concerned with everything that can be taken for a sign. A sign is everything which can be taken as significantly substituting for something else. This something else does not necessarily have to exist or to actually be somewhere at the moment in which a sign stands in for it. Thus semiotics is in principle the discipline studying everything which can be used in order to lie. If something cannot be used to tell a lie, conversely it cannot be used to tell the truth: it cannot in fact be used to 'tell' at all. I think that the definition of a 'theory of the lie' should be taken as a pretty comprehensive program for a general semiotics.

(из книги A Theory of Semiotics)

Date: 2001-05-13 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] r-l.livejournal.com
Óìíûé Âÿ÷. Âñ. Èâàíîâ íà÷èíàë èñòîðèþ ðóññêîé ñåìèîòèêè ñ ôîðìàëèñòîâ è Ýéçåíøòåéíà.
Èäèîò Ïî÷åïöîâ - ñî ñëàâÿíîôèëîâ è Ðîçàíîâà.
Íà ñàìîì äåëå ãëàâíûì ðóññêèì ñåìèîòèêîì, ïðåêðàñíî ïîíèìàâøèì è òî, î ÷åì Ýêî òóò ïèøåò, è âîîáùå ìíîãî ÷åãî î çíàêàõ, áûë...
(Çàãàäêà)

PS. À âîò æàëêî íåòó òýãà, ÷òîá ïåðåâîðà÷èâàë òåêñò.

Date: 2001-05-13 09:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avva.livejournal.com
Íó íå çíàþ, êòî, ÿ âîîáùå â ðóññêîé ñåìèîòèêå íå
ïîíèìàþ íè÷åãî ïî÷òè. Íàïðàøèâàåòñÿ äèôîëòíûé îòâåò Ëîòìàí, íî âåäü ïîäâîõ íåáîñü åñòü êàêîé-òî.

Ýêî, êñòàòè, öèòèðóåò Ëîòìàíà è ññûëàåòñÿ íà íåãî íåñêîëüêî ðàç, ñ äîëæíûì óâàæåíèåì.

Date: 2001-05-13 09:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] r-l.livejournal.com
Äà, îíè êàê-òî òåïëî äðóã ê äðóãó.

Ëåâ Í. Òîëñòîé.

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