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А вот ещё чудесный текст (это я тут разбираю свои директории с электронными текстами, классифицирую и смотрю, что и так на сети есть): статья Троцкого 35-го года "Если Америка выберет коммунизм" (If America Should Go Communist, если есть варианты более удачного перевода заглавия - предлагайте, мне любопытно).

Сетевая версия.

"National industry will be organized along the line of the conveyor belt in your modern continuous-production automotive factories. Scientific planning can be lifted out of the individual factory and applied to your entire economic system. The results will be stupendous."

Здесь следует цинично усмехнуться и покивать головой: stupendous indeed!

"It is the task of your communist statesmen to make the system deliver the concrete goods that the average man desires: his food, cigars, amusements, his freedom to choose his own neckties, his own house and his own automobile. It will be easy to give him these comforts in Soviet America."

Ну и ещё много в том же духе. Вперёд, Советская Америка!

Date: 2001-10-07 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yan.livejournal.com
Ýêèé öèíè÷íûé òîâàðèù áûë Òðîöêèé.
his freedom to choose his own neckties

Date: 2001-10-07 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avva.livejournal.com
Êëàññ!

Date: 2001-10-07 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lbyf.livejournal.com
"Åñëè Àìåðèêà ïðèäåò ê êîììóíèçìó".
À òàêæå "Åñëè â Àìåðèêå ïîáåäèò êîììóíèçì", èëè "Åñëè Àìåðèêó ïîáåäèò êîììóíèçì"... ;)))

Ïðèÿòíîãî êîôåïèòèÿ, â îáùåì.

Date: 2001-10-07 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avva.livejournal.com
Íå, "ïðèä¸ò" ïëîõî, ò.ê. â go communist ãëàãîë ïîëíîñòüþ àáñòðàãèðîâàëñÿ, íå îñòàëîñü èäåè õîäüáû äàæå ìåòàôîðè÷åñêîé, îí îçíà÷àåò ñêîðåå "ïðåâðàòèòñÿ", "ñòàíåò".

Ìåäëåííî âûõîæó èç äîìó è èäó ê êîôåïèòèþ ;)

Íå óãîäèøü íà òåáÿ.

Date: 2001-10-07 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lbyf.livejournal.com
"Ïðèäåò ê êîììóíèçìó" - çâó÷èò õîðîøî. Íî åñëè íå íðàâèòñÿ, ìîæåøü ïðîñòî ïåðåâåñòè êàê "Åñëè Àìåðèêà ñòàíåò êîììóíèñòè÷åñêîé" - òî÷íîñòè ðàäè.

Ïî÷åìó-òî õî÷åòñÿ íàïèñàòü íå "åñëè", à "êîãäà". :)

Re: Íå óãîäèøü íà òåáÿ.

Date: 2001-10-07 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avva.livejournal.com
ß òàê è õîòåë âíà÷àëå, íî î÷åíü óæ âÿçêî, íåêóçÿâî.

"êîãäà" - äà, êàê ÿ òåáÿ ïîíèìàþ ;)

Re: Íå óãîäèøü íà òåáÿ.

Date: 2001-10-07 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmm.livejournal.com
ìíå âîò âñåãäà êàçàëîñü, ÷òî "íûíåøíåå ïîêîëåíèå äîæèâ¸ò äî êîììóíèçìà" -- ýòî êàê "íûíåøíåå ïîêîëåíèå äîæèâ¸ò äî ìàðàçìà".



âîò òàê è Àìåðèêà, äà.

Date: 2001-10-07 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vvagr.livejournal.com
È â ðóññêîì åñòü àáñòðàãèðîâàííûé ãëàãîë "ïðèä¸ò".

"Åñëè Àìåðèêå ïðèä¸ò êîììóíèçì".

Date: 2001-10-07 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avva.livejournal.com
Ôàêò, åñòü. Çàìå÷àòåëüíîå ðåøåíèå! ;)

Date: 2001-10-07 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oxfv.livejournal.com
"Åñëè Àìåðèêà êîììóíèçäíèòñÿ" èëè "êîììóíèçäàí¸òñÿ".

Date: 2001-10-07 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oxfv.livejournal.com
Èç-çà ãëþêà ïîëó÷èëîñü äâå çàïèñè, ê òîìó æå ñ ðàçíûì ïðàâîïèñàíèåì. Êîòîðàÿ ïðàâèëüíàÿ? ß â çàòðóäíåíèè. Âèäèìî, íå ýòà.

Date: 2001-10-07 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oxfv.livejournal.com
"Åñëè Àìåðèêà êîììóíèçäíåòñÿ" èëè "êîììóíèçäàí¸òñÿ".

Date: 2001-12-15 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is Ilya Vinarsky. Anatoly, would you please refer me?

Actually, quite a few predictions of Trotsky's came true in the last 66 years. Operations Research flourished in the postwar years, used by companies from WalMart to Amazon.com to Levi Strauss. Farms are gigantic (or would have been without billions of government subsidies). The dollar is not backed by gold any more, with no harmful consequences to the economy.

Otherwise, even if I hadn't known, who Trotsky was, the piece strikes me as filthy demagogy. Where did he get that 20% figure? Did he pull it out of his ass?

Date: 2001-12-15 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avva.livejournal.com
Nice to see you here, Ilya. Refer you to what, though?

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