украина - родина слонов
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avvaУказ президента Украины о создании праздника "День крещения Киевской Руси - Украины".
Вы меня извините немножечко, но по-моему, это маразм.
Вы меня извините немножечко, но по-моему, это маразм.
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Date: 2009-07-29 08:31 pm (UTC)Ukraine was the center of the first eastern Slavic state, Kyivan Rus, which during the 10th and 11th centuries was the largest and most powerful state in Europe. Weakened by internecine quarrels and Mongol invasions, Kyivan Rus was incorporated into the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and eventually into the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The cultural and religious legacy of Kyivan Rus laid the foundation for Ukrainian nationalism through subsequent centuries. A new Ukrainian state, the Cossack Hetmanate, was established during the mid-17th century after an uprising against the Poles. Despite continuous Muscovite pressure, the Hetmanate managed to remain autonomous for well over 100 years. During the latter part of the 18th century, most Ukrainian ethnographic territory was absorbed by the Russian Empire. Following the collapse of czarist Russia in 1917, Ukraine was able to bring about a short-lived period of independence (1917-20), but was reconquered and forced to endure a brutal Soviet rule that engineered two artificial famines (1921-22 and 1932-33) in which over 8 million died. In World War II, German and Soviet armies were responsible for some 7 to 8 million more deaths.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/up.html
each generation rewrites its own history...
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Date: 2009-07-29 08:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-29 08:46 pm (UTC)From the 9th century AD northern Ukraine was part of Kievan Rus, the first significant East Slavic state, which succumbed to the Mongol invasions of the 13th century (see Mongol Empire). Ukraine was for centuries thereafter under the rule of a succession of foreign powers, including Poland and the Russian Empire.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761573617/Ukraine.html
In the 14th and 15th centuries a powerful Russian state began to grow around Moscow. Russia emerged as a great world power during the reign of Peter the Great, who built Saint Petersburg as Russia’s new “window on the West” and moved the seat of government there in 1712. The massive Russian Empire reached its greatest size in 1914, before World War I.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761569000/Russia.html
T.e. в источниках, где составители историки -- Киевская Русь полностью отдана Украине. Собственно, американцы считают что России лет 300 как государству, с Петра. Встречал такое даже в речах официальных американских лиц.
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Date: 2009-07-29 11:46 pm (UTC)А на самом деле сколько? Тысячи? Десятки тысяч?
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Date: 2009-07-30 07:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-30 10:30 pm (UTC)а вы не из тех
Date: 2009-07-30 11:58 pm (UTC)Если нет, обьясните пожалуйста, хотя бы как революция 1917 года не повлияла на государственную преемственность?
Re: а вы не из тех
Date: 2009-07-31 12:07 am (UTC)Re: а вы не из тех
Date: 2009-07-31 01:26 am (UTC)Я уж не говорю о том, что государство собственно сильно поменялось.
Re: а вы не из тех
Date: 2009-07-31 01:42 am (UTC)Re: а вы не из тех
Date: 2009-07-31 02:08 pm (UTC)Re: а вы не из тех
Date: 2009-07-31 02:15 pm (UTC)Как, кстати, интересоваться — получается у Вас?
все понятно, спасибо
From:Re: все понятно, спасибо
From:ну зачем же так передергивать?
From:Re: ну зачем же так передергивать?
From:да, врут
From:Re: да, врут
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Date: 2009-07-30 03:46 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2009-07-30 04:55 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-30 07:09 am (UTC)еще чуть-чуть и будут писать, что СССР начал захватническую войну против Германии и всей Европы.