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Джин Вульф (американский писатель-фантаст, очень хороший) зажигает в ответ на вопрос о "жанровом гетто":
Q. Does literary science fiction and fantasy have mainstream respect? Why, if at all, does it need mainstream approval? What would such approval mean for genre fiction?

A. That's a softball. No. Literary sf and fantasy are not respected by mainstream critics or the mainstream professoriate. Neither needs mainstream approval, which would diminish (and perhaps destroy) both. Just look at what they DO respect. Look at what poetry was as late as the early 20th Century, and what it is now.

Now and then I'm asked at cons why I don't write fiction of the respected sort. You know, he is a professor and she is a professor and they are having adulterous affairs, and they are almost overcome with guilt and angst, and there is no God, and scientific progress doesn't enter into it, and just about everybody in the world is upper middle class.

When that happens, I ask the questioner abut Martin du Gard. Have you read him? Have you heard of him? Invariably the answers are no and no. Then I explain that Martin du Gard won the Nobel Prize for Literature in the year H. P. Lovecraft died.

(сорри, переводить нет сил)
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Date: 2009-10-29 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aptsvet.livejournal.com
Очень красиво сказал, хотя не обязательно правду. И заодно пинок не названному по имени Роту. Теперь вот не знаю, радоваться ли, что я знаю, кто такой Мартен дю Гар.

Date: 2009-10-29 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-shmael.livejournal.com
Отличный писатель, между прочим. А Лавкрафт - кумир гетто! :-)

Date: 2009-10-29 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aptsvet.livejournal.com
Я читал обоих, согласен. Лавкрафт пугает, а мне не страшно.

Date: 2009-10-29 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avva.livejournal.com
Да, согласен - и с тем, что красиво, и с тем, что необязательно правду.

Date: 2009-10-30 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theshadeck.livejournal.com
Рот? А я погрешил на Шабона.

Date: 2009-10-29 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] larvatus.livejournal.com
Brilliant. I am reminded of Houellebecq, a great fan of Lovecraft, claiming that science fiction is the only contribution the XXth century made to literature. But many French people will have heard of Martin du Gard.

Gene Wolfe has a new “best of” collection. I never read his short stories, ant that seems like a good introduction. Back in the day, I loved The Book of the New Sun.

Date: 2009-10-29 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avva.livejournal.com
Я прочитал The Book of the New Sun в начале этого года, был в восторге от нее. Спасибо за ссылку; как раз пора выбрать, что дальше Вульфа читать.
Edited Date: 2009-10-29 11:49 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-10-30 04:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
Я была в диком восторге вот от этого сборника: http://www.amazon.com/Starwater-Strains-Gene-Wolfe/dp/0765312034/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256877735&sr=1-1

Date: 2009-10-30 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petro-gulak.livejournal.com
Кстати - Вы когда-то это обсуждали в ЖЖ, - а какой Ваш вариант перевода слова Urth?

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Date: 2009-10-30 05:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] guest-informant.livejournal.com
Peace, конечно же

Date: 2009-10-30 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] irene221b.livejournal.com
Какой неудачный пример он выбрал. Лавкрафт же графоман.

Date: 2009-10-30 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krace.livejournal.com
а так ли это важно? Лавкрафт при этом есть, например, у меня в телефоне (я его не скачивал специально, он просто с какой-то коллекцией книжек прилетел), а имя дю Гара я даже не слышал, хотя даже изучал французскую литературу (поверхностно, но всё же).

Date: 2009-10-30 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theshadeck.livejournal.com
Ага. Имя человека, выигравшего нобелевскую премию в год смети Даниэлы Стил, тоже наверно никому ничего не скажет.

НЕ В БРОВЬ А В ГЛАЗ

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Date: 2009-10-30 01:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zhiva
я не поняла про софтбол и профессоров (( Это он к чему?

Date: 2009-10-30 01:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amigofriend.livejournal.com
1. "a softball question" - вопрос, на который легко ответить,
as opposed to "a hardball question";

2. Про профессоров - это сатирическое описание типичного сюжета в "fiction of the respected sort".

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Date: 2009-10-30 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anatol-olegych.livejournal.com
Нил Стивенсон глубже, на мой взгляд, копает:

"... why SF and other genre and popular writers don't seem to get a lot of respect from the literary world.
To set it up, a brief anecdote: a while back, I went to a writers' conference. I was making chitchat with another writer, a critically acclaimed literary novelist who taught at a university. She had never heard of me. After we'd exchanged a bit of of small talk, she asked me "And where do you teach?" just as naturally as one Slashdotter would ask another "And which distro do you use?"

I was taken aback. "I don't teach anywhere," I said.

Her turn to be taken aback. "Then what do you do?"

"I'm...a writer," I said. Which admittedly was a stupid thing to say, since she already knew that.

"Yes, but what do you do?"

I couldn't think of how to answer the question---I'd already answered it!

"You can't make a living out of being a writer, so how do you make money?" she tried.

"From...being a writer," I stammered.

At this point she finally got it, and her whole affect changed. She wasn't snobbish about it. But it was obvious that, in her mind, the sort of writer who actually made a living from it was an entirely different creature from the sort she generally associated with. "

и т.д. (я у себя на http://anatol-olegych.livejournal.com/6806.html соxранил выдержку на большое интерьвью: http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/20/1518217)

Date: 2009-10-30 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gdy.livejournal.com
О, спасибо

Date: 2009-10-30 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avva.livejournal.com
Да, помню это интервью, спасибо.

Date: 2009-10-30 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orie.livejournal.com
ух! спасибо за цитату ;)

Date: 2013-04-19 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vvyy.livejournal.com
Живо напомнило случившееся давным давно в далёкой галактике:
— Чем вы занимаетесь?
— Пишу стихи. Перевожу. Я полагаю...

Date: 2009-10-30 05:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anton-solovyev.livejournal.com
I don't know man... Я всерьез и долго пытался читать что-то с Sahdow of the Torturer, и даже прочитал, но не понравилось абсолютно. То есть, активно, совсем и категорически.

Date: 2009-10-30 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melkore.livejournal.com
это он больше о своих комплексах пишет, чем о серьёзной прозе.
а фантаст по сравнению с писателем-писателем всегда будет как... как бы так негрубо... ну как Лукьяненко рядом с Пинчоном, да.

Date: 2009-10-30 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dsjkvf.livejournal.com
просто вам не повезло с фантастикой.

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Date: 2009-10-30 06:34 am (UTC)
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Только, если посмотреть внимательно, то почти все писатели пишут фантастику, включая Пинчона. Потому что реализм мало кому интересен.

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Date: 2009-10-30 11:39 am (UTC)
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Про Дю Гара уел на 100%. Настолько смертельное, непередаваемое занудство...

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