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avvaСвежий американский скандал с секретным прослушиванием телефонных разговоров американских граждан коренным образом меняет моё отношение к администрации Буша. По-моему, он заслуживает за это получить импичмент. У него была возможность сделать это законным образом, через FISA. Он ей не воспользовался.
Сомневаюсь, что будет импичмент, конечно... посмотрим. Но он его заслужил.
Подробное объяснение по-английски, для тех, кто не знает о чём речь, есть в обычном месте. Подробный юридический анализ ситуации - в блоге Волоха.
Сомневаюсь, что будет импичмент, конечно... посмотрим. Но он его заслужил.
Подробное объяснение по-английски, для тех, кто не знает о чём речь, есть в обычном месте. Подробный юридический анализ ситуации - в блоге Волоха.
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Date: 2005-12-20 04:16 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-12-20 05:05 pm (UTC)А вот нигде не обсуждают: почему не воспользовлся? Не знал, что нужно получить разрешение? Вряд ли... Может, они могли не разрешить? Тогда не верен тезис, что у него была возможность сделать это законным образом.
Я не оправдываю действия Буша, просто интересны мотивы.
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Date: 2005-12-20 05:18 pm (UTC)Dailyrotten.com delivers as always!
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Date: 2005-12-20 07:24 pm (UTC)http://www.livejournal.com/users/dyak/293914.html
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Date: 2005-12-20 07:34 pm (UTC)http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051219-1.html
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Date: 2005-12-20 07:42 pm (UTC)Dear Mr. Vice President,
I am writing to reiterate my concern regarding the sensitive intelligence issues we discussed today with the DCI, DIRNSA, and Chairman Roberts and our House Intelligence Committee counterparts.
Clearly the activities we discussed raise profound oversight issues. As you know, I am neither a technician or an attorney. Given the security restrictions associated with this information, and my inability to consult staff or counsel on my own, I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse these activities.
As I reflected on the meeting today, and the future we face, John Poindexter's TIA project sprung to mind, exacerbating my concern regarding the direction the Administration is moving with regard to security, technology, and surveiliance.
Without more information and the ability to draw on any independent legal or techical expertise, I simply cannot satisfy lingering concerns raised by the briefing we received.
I am retaining a copy of this letter in a sealed envelope in the secure spaces of the Senate Intelligence Committee to ensure that I have a record of this communication.
I appreciate your consideration of my views.
Most respectfully,
Jay Rockefeller [Senator]
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Date: 2005-12-20 07:42 pm (UTC)First, it is quite likely that 96 Senators of 100 Senators, including 13 of 15 on the Senate Intelligence Committee first learned about this program in the New York Times, not from any Administration briefing.
I personally received a single very short briefing on this program earlier this year prior to its public disclosure. That briefing occurred more than three years after the President said this program began.
The Administration briefers did not seek my advice or consent about the program, and based on what I have heard publicly since, key details about the program apparently were not provided to me.
Under current Administration briefing guidelines, members of Congress are informed after decisions are made, have virtually no ability to either approve or reject a program, and are prohibited from discussing these types of programs with nearly all of their fellow members and all of their staff.
We need to investigate this program and the President's legal authority to carry it out. We also need to review this flawed congressional consultation system. I will be asking the President to cooperate in both reviews.
Senator Reid
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Date: 2005-12-20 07:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-12-20 07:44 pm (UTC)I was advised of President Bush's decision to provide authority to the National Security Agency to conduct unspecified activities shortly after he made it and have been provided with updates on several occasions.
The Bush Administration considered these briefings to be notification, not a request for approval. As is my practice whenever I am notified about intelligence activities, I expressed my strong concerns during these briefings.
Nancy Pelosi (House Democratic Leader)
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Date: 2005-12-20 07:45 pm (UTC)Все остальное - пустые разговоры и прикрывание задницы.
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Date: 2005-12-20 07:45 pm (UTC)Учи албанский!!!
Date: 2005-12-20 07:46 pm (UTC)ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALES: That question was asked earlier. We've had discussions with members of Congress, certain members of Congress, about whether or not we could get an amendment to FISA, and we were advised that that was not likely to be -- that was not something we could likely get, certainly not without jeopardizing the existence of the program, and therefore, killing the program. And that -- and so a decision was made that because we felt that the authorities were there, that we should continue moving forward with this program.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051219-1.html
Могучая сила cut-and-paste
Date: 2005-12-20 07:46 pm (UTC)Все остальное - пустые разговоры и прикрывание задницы.
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Date: 2005-12-20 07:46 pm (UTC)Re: Могучая сила cut-and-paste
Date: 2005-12-20 07:47 pm (UTC)Re: Учи албанский!!!
Date: 2005-12-20 07:48 pm (UTC)Постарайтесь понять смысл следующей фразы:
certainly not without jeopardizing the existence of the program, and therefore, killing the program.
cut-and-paste
Date: 2005-12-20 07:49 pm (UTC)